Why I Quit Hiv with Kary Mullis – Rodney Richards – more HoN
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Scientists and journalists discuss their skepticism over Gallo’s sex virus of mass destruction theory House of Numbers www.houseofnumbers.com COMMENTING RULES…..no logical fallacies. Three logical fallacies and I will block you for being an uneducated, Illogical waste of time. cleanhandss.blogspot.com Defeating HIV = AIDS hivskeptic.wordpress.com The questions, “Who proved that HIV attacks cells and causes AIDS? How? Where was this published?”, are routinely evaded by defenders of the orthodoxy; but they could not evade them in court. How could even the most expert witness respond? — “the most rigorous peer review . . . comes from cross-examination . . . in the courtroom” (Sheldon Krimsky, “Protecting scientific integrity”, Chemical Heritage, 27 [#1, Spring 2009] 42-3). Could Fauci or Gallo be reduced to pleading the Fifth, not answering for fear of self-incrimination? Dr. Kary Mullis, PhD, Biochemist, Winner, 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry for inventing the polymerase chain reaction, the basis for the HIV viral load tests. www.karymullis.com INTERVIEW RODNEY RICHARDS Why the “HIV Tests” Can’t Tell You Whether You Have HIV Dr. Rodney Richards, PhD, Biochemist, Founding scientist for the biotech company Amgen. Collaborated with Abbott Laboratories in developing some of the first HIV tests www.virusmyth.com ABBOTT DIAGNOSTICS “hiv” test kit disclaimer…scroll down to “Sensitivity Specificity www.abbottdiagnostics.com The Circular Reasoning Scandal of HIV Testing Neville …
March 30th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
@timeofmind Dear friend
Dont get me wrong, i meant the field is consolidate due the massive evidence of different fields of research for this 20 years or so. You can falsify the HIV-AIDS in so many ways that you dont imagine 9you are not scientist for sure)
You dont need to submit thousand of people to cigar smoke to check if smoking cause lung cancer. The epidemiological data can confirm the causation dilemma.
Look on youtube for: Michael Shermer: Baloney Detection Kit
March 30th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
@rafaelwaa
You see, the problem is that whenever someone with AIDS is identified who does not have HIV, it is easy to brush it off as a misdiagnosis. So how do we ever falsify the HIV-AIDS theory? The definition of AIDS keeps shifting. Until an indisputable definition of AIDS and HIV independent protocol for diagnosing AIDS is put forth, the HIV-AIDS theory is undeniably unfalsifiable. So by Karl Popper’s own philosophy, the HIV-AIDS theory is unscientific.
March 30th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
@rafaelwaa
This was copied from the wikipedia “Bangui_definition”:
“The 1985 WHO AIDS surveillance case definition was heavily criticised, for both medical and political reasons. The 1994 expanded World Health Organization AIDS case definition was introduced in 1994 to incorporate the statement that HIV testing should be done. However, if testing was unavailable, then the Bangui definition should be used.”
Without an acceptable definition for AIDS, then the HIV-AIDS theory is not falsifiable.
March 30th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
@rafaelwaa
I should point out that unless AIDS is defined independently of HIV, the theory that HIV causes AIDS is of course not falsifiable and so would be unscientific. So before we even begin the argument of whether HIV causes AIDS, we need to define AIDS independently of HIV, and then create a protocol for diagnosing AIDS independent of HIV. The HIV-AIDS theory then becomes falsifiable and scientific.
March 30th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
@rafaelwaa
I did not make the statement that the HIV-AIDS theory is not falsifiable. I was referring specifically to your argument that HIV-AIDS research is “consolidated”; therefore, it should not be questioned. This argument of yours goes in direct contradiction to Karl Popper’s philosophy of falsifiability. A scientific attitude would be to encourage the falsification of the HIV-AIDS theory. If the HIV-AIDS theory is true, it will resist falsification, according to Karl Popper’s philosophy.
March 30th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
Lynn Margulis, PhD, Biologist, Distinguished Professor of Geosciences, U of Mass at Amherst. Originated the Endosymbiotic Theory for the origin of eukaryotic cells Recipient of the National Medal of Science (1999). Member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences…Symbiotic New Look atEvolution.. The Library of Congress started to permanently archive all of her papers in 1998
for more googl….IS “HIV” REALLY THE CAUSE OF AIDS? ARE THERE REALLY ONLY “A FEW” SCIENTISTS WHO DOUBT THIS?
March 30th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
@rafaelwaa “…. From the CDC (Center for Disease Control) in Atlanta I have requested the scientific papers that prove the causal relationship between the HIV retrovirus and the IMMUNODEFICIENCY SYNDROME commonly known as AIDS. They have never sent even references to the peer-reviewed primary scientific literature that establishes the causal relationship because they CANT. Such papers do….NOT…… exist..”
quote is from an exprt with an easily verified identity and credentials…
March 30th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
@rafaelwaa The people in vdeo are scientists. They can’t find the papers you claim exist. The burden of proof is on those who make a claim not on those who dispute it. Did you “forget”?
Title Date and Journal
March 30th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
You can find thousands of them on pubmed.com ! We scientist dont believe on other words, even if this guy is a nobel prize or the pope. We check the evidence, and it´s clear to see why so many of you are denealist, you probably have the virus on your blood stream…
Please, check this BBC video: BBC Horizon – Science Under Attack
March 30th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
For anyone who came to this video via a link from sofiarune “free speech advocate” ..she blocked from her channel after I asked her about any financial conflicts of interest she may have re: Gallo’s virus as the cause of aids.
She then moved the goal posts by NOT referencing the required papers and did NOT post her “evidence” to this video as agreed. She then declared herself victorious. This is typical behavior for cultists. They are incapable of logical debate
March 30th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
@rafaelwaa Did you even watch this video? Dr Mullis says all you fools do is weasel and sure enough…all you’ve done is try t get out of just naming the reference. It’s stated very clearly inthe video description box that three logical fallacies will gt you blocked. The only reason I’m letting you carry on is because you’re proving Dr Mullis’s claims so perfectly. Lynn Margulis has you people pegged too….you CANT name those papers because they do NOT exist
March 30th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
@rafaelwaa “It’s not even probable, let alone scientifically proven, that HIV causes AIDS. If there is evidence that HIV causes AIDS, there should be scientific documents which either singly or collectively demonstrate that fact, at least with a high probability. There are no such documents.”
— Dr. Kary Mullis, PhD, Biochemist, Winner, 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry for inventing the polymerase chain reaction, the basis for the HIV viral load tests.
March 30th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
@timeofmind
To start a healthy discussion you first need to study the principles, history and philosophy of science field. Otherwise, it would like to have a discussing between a civil engineer and a lawyer about the better way to build a building
March 30th, 2011 at 7:21 pm
@timeofmind My friend
When i said that hiv research is done for a long time I meant that the field is consolidate. You still can prove that evolution is not true or the earth is not round, this is the base of modern science (check the author “Carl Popper” – falsifiability).
March 30th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
@rafaelwaa I know PubMed. The study I rerenced refuting your bullshit claim that the Arv’s improve life span can be found on PubMed. Stop making excuses.
Title Date and Journal.
March 30th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
@mykoolaidtastesfunny
If dont know the site “pubmed” you wont understand how to read a scientific paper
March 30th, 2011 at 9:13 pm
@rafaelwaa
So your scientific argument is basically “but lots of people have believed it for a long time!”. Is this scientific? Who of these “lots of people” have even bothered to question the assumption that HIV leads to AIDS? Please provide me with an example.
I would actually be very interested to meet a scientist who is willing to openly questioned this assumption and who has ultimately concluded that there is a connection.
Thanks.
March 30th, 2011 at 9:54 pm
quote is by… Lynn Margulis, PhD, Biologist, Distinguished Professor of Geosciences, University of Massachusetts at Amherst. Recipient of the National Medal of Science (1999). Member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences. Elected to the National Academy of Sciences in 1983. Author of over 130 scientific ..The Library of Congress started to permanently archive all of her papers in 1998
google….S “HIV” REALLY THE CAUSE OF AIDS? ARE THERE REALLY ONLY “A FEW” SCIENTISTS WHO DOUBT THIS?
March 30th, 2011 at 10:33 pm
“We find the paucity of evidence published in standard peer-reviewed primary scientific journals that leads to the conclusion that “HIV = AIDS” appalling. No amount of moralizing censorship, rhetorical tricks, consensus of opinion, pulling rank, obfuscation, ad hominem attacks or blustering newspaper editorials changes this fact. The conflation “HIV-AIDS” may be good marketing but is it science? No. Yet certainly the political and economic implications of the term “HIV-AIDS” are staggering.”
March 30th, 2011 at 11:16 pm
@rafaelwaa Just NAME the primary peer reviewed reference O Youtube Science Master. Title Date and Journal. Why is this so hard for you people?
March 30th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
@rafaelwaa You have ZERO evidence that your virus of mass destruction scare mongering has been based on scientific fact.
March 31st, 2011 at 12:12 am
Darwin did know about genetics and he was wrong about some point. Is this mean take evolution is not true ?
Please, read Carl Sagan !
March 31st, 2011 at 12:26 am
@rafaelwaa The burden of proof is in those who make a claim not on those who dispute it. You sound like a creationist telling me to go read the bible for myself. It isn’t up to me to prove or disprove your case for you. If YOU believe in Gallo’s fake virus then it;s you who needs to cough up the evidence.
March 31st, 2011 at 1:13 am
Do you mean 20 years of scientific work is zero evidence ?
Well you really do no nothing about the subject !
March 31st, 2011 at 1:50 am
@rafaelwaa Lancet. 2006 Aug 5;368(9534):451-8.
HIV treatment response and prognosis in Europe and North America in the first decade of highly active antiretroviral therapy: a collaborative analysis.
INTERPRETATION: Virological response after starting HAART improved over calendar years, but such improvement has ………..NOT………….translated into a decrease in mortality.